Speaker 0 00:00:00 Worse of everybody. It is your man and your favorite BBC podcaster from the streets of Las Vegas, Nevada America's playground in the desert where we have fun. So today on this episode, we are going to have a very, very fun episode. We actually have two special guests that we actually it's almost like we went on a double date with them on zoom. I know how you used to do zoom, double dates with other couples when COVID shut everything down. This felt like a double date of Vito's really, really cool. It was really fun. We were literally on the zoom call for like two hours and we were drinking and we're laughing and we were just totally chopping it up. Okay. Uh, we were actually on the call with the in famous bomber and the beautiful bill from the black and kinky lifestyle podcast. So if you guys haven't heard of them, they are, are awesome people that are on the east coast out there in DC, and they are actually black lifestylers out there.
Speaker 0 00:01:20 And so we were able to connect and just develop a special friendship. And so anyways, I'm going to give them a proper introduction here in a moment, but I want you guys and ladies that are listening to this, if you want to follow them, not if you want to, but hell go there right now, black in kinky lifestyle.com, black the litter in kinky lifestyle.com and hit them up there on social media, on Twitter and Instagram, and just follow them and listen to their podcasts because they come out with some fire podcasts. All right. And before we get into that, you guys, we are opening up our monthly lifestyle parties and we entitled them BBC versus QoS. And these parties are out here in Las Vegas and therefore cut couples, BBC gentlemen, wives. And it's a very, very fun nights, a lifestyle party with a game night feel to it.
Speaker 0 00:02:31 So it's going to be totally fun. Details
[email protected] slash party. All right, now, back to our discussion that myself and caramel had with our friends, the bomber and the bill we discuss amongst other things, you guys, is it racist or derogatory to use terms like queen of spades or BBC or those type of terms, which, and flex and address racism in the plate and the lifestyle. And that's something which has been talked about behind doors. And I'd had conversations with other people before in the past, and you've likely had conversations maybe even thought about it, you know, is this racist or is this like something that's ethical as it is something that we should do or should not do, right? Maybe you're a white lady that likes to play with black eyes away. Maybe you're a black guy that likes to play with Asian ladies, or it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 0 00:03:40 Maybe you're a white guy and he likes to play with black woman. It doesn't really matter, but we delve deeper into the thoughts of is a derogatory as a racist, or is it just, if both parties are cool with it, what the hell is wrong with it? And this is something that we went back and forth on and we just had a really, really, really real and a good and a positive and a fun conversation on it. Okay. Because again, it is a taboo subject, but it's something that everybody's thinking about. And on this podcast, we've never been one to shy away from the crazy or that's Habu. All right. And so on this conversation, you guys, and ladies, we leave no stone unturned. So grab your popcorn, grab your cups of coffee, tighten up your seat belts and let's get ready to rumble. We're not going to leave any stone unturned on this podcast. Here he goes. Angela, with that intro duction,
Speaker 1 00:04:44 You are now listening to the bulls and Queens podcast, where we have sexy, fun, exploring the lifestyle and swinging exploits of black bulls, Queens of spades, cuckold fantasies, open relationships, seductive interracial encounters, and other kinky shenanigans that are sure to get you off in a very good way. So get ready ladies and make sure you take notes, gentlemen, because here is your host. That's super sexy, bold black men candy
Speaker 5 00:38:06 . I have to listen to anyway, bill, bill, bill, go ahead. Say my name chocolate. Remember where it is. So it's just an area where you're objectified because you
Speaker 6 00:38:34 Know, you are objectified yes. A hundred percent completely, you know, so I just want to acknowledge, uh, that, that Bella little to alluded to earlier that just had me really cracking up. And it was the idea of her having a queen of space that too, if you, if you really want to troll and protest it, I'm talking to a black woman everywhere, just get some temporary tattoos and put them shits all over your body. And you're going to get approached by some white women. I'll be like, hold on. And then a real conversation could start because I was thinking that I was thinking today, I was like, yo, can Asian women be queen of spades? Did you ever see an Asian woman with a queen of spades set to, uh, no. It's, it's not just, it is white women. Who, who, who exclusively go after black men? What is that about? Um, bell just pulled some, just pulled it up on your phone. Um,
Speaker 7 00:39:46 So I'm going to give you long context, but we were in, uh, Savannah, Georgia last weekend. We went on a, uh, black history tour, um, and had this like black docent who was very happy to have us there because she doesn't often get to talk to black people about the history of black people in the south. Um, and she mentioned this book, um, and I haven't had a chance to read it, but it was just really interesting to me and the title of it. Oh, come on phone. Be with me here. It's called. They were her property, white women as slave owners in the American south. And so the conversation that we were having with her about was like, the men were usually often Europe doing business off to war. They weren't in the house, they weren't there managing, um, and really running the plantations or the house and those kinds of things. That was the responsibility of the wife. So when you think about kind of the, um, the oppression and the interaction between black people and white people and how they were managed, it was really the white women who were the ones implementing those practices because, you know, the men may have come in and say, okay, this is how I want the house to run. And then I'm gone, you know, doing my business and making money to keep the house, but who was, there were the women, wow.
Speaker 6 00:41:13 Mail. They had BBC tattoos back in the antebellum south.
Speaker 7 00:41:23 And, you know, you know, and I know because, you know, I grew up in the, in the south and in the Midwest and you know, you all, I don't know where you're from dark chocolate, but you know, bomber hit
Speaker 6 00:41:37 My name like that. I am going to book a ticket of New York city. Oh my God.
Speaker 7 00:41:43 Hope so. But I know your experience as a black, even though, I mean, you're a very American bomber, but still your experience and your understanding of race relations in America is very different than mine, which is you talked about earlier. Um, and so just understanding that, you know, there's a history there, regardless of your, your sexual preferences and, you know, what have you, who you liked flip all that kind of stuff. There's a history between white people and black people, whether their ancestors owned our ancestors or not, there are institutional context, systematic context there that I just can't ignore. Um, and so, yeah, that's, you know,
Speaker 6 00:42:30 I feel you, I feel you. And the thing I want to say is, um, the thing about like, um, I spoke about this earlier in another context, but when it comes to BBC, um, when it comes to, um, queen of Spain, it's right. When it comes to that branding, um, you know, I had a male panel and we talked about this issue, uh, and the, uh, reality was that we recognized that there were people that would throw in parties with the BPC label. They would throwing parties like, yo, we got, you know, we got single black men coming through, like, come, come, come and party with us. And I think the issue that we weren't talking about that was, uh, that was problematic was that it wasn't black people that were throwing these parties. That's the problem I have. Like, if the thing is the demand for BBC's green space and all that shit, the demand isn't going anywhere, like we could be PC about it.
Speaker 6 00:43:28 We could just be like, you know, we all BLM, you know what I mean? But the thing is, it's still, there's still a market for it. It's like crack, like, yeah, you could, you could, you could make it illegal, but motherfuckers still don't want to smoke crack and make money off of that. My position is my position is I would rather if, if, if the thing is, if, if BBC and queen of space, you know, cuckold and all that bullshit is going to sell, I need black people to capitalize on it, make money off it. You know, if, if I need, I need us to control all of that shit. Because if, if it's white people that are, that are selling, promoting and profiting Lafitte, um, it just, it leaves a bad flavor in my mouth. It feels like we, right back on the plantation, it feels like this weird white corporate America, that's just making money off of the, off of the desire for black bodies.
Speaker 6 00:44:26 You know what I mean? So when I came across your podcast, that's what I was thinking. I was like, oh shit, this is, this is cotton, the crew. Like, I mean, you know, ballet going like this shit, but this is dark chocolate, shit like he's doing is he got people coming on his podcast talking about their desire for this shit. He got people, you know, um, th there are single black men who come on your podcast. They're like, yo, I'm out here swinging Dick. And I'm, I'm feeling, I love, I love life right now. I love it. You know what I mean? So, yeah. So I, I want it to just acknowledge that that's my position on it. I know we needed to move to the gentleman's thoughts on somebody, this race play stuff, but that is my position.
Speaker 7 00:45:06 And just for the record, Blash mocha is black owned and they throw like BBC parties.
Speaker 0 00:45:14 And that's interesting that you put that in there, bill, because I was just going to ask about, uh, slash mocha. Cause I've literally talked to five people in the past, like 10 days brought up splash mocha, and I was going to ask them like, okay, well who's splash, MOCA owned by.
Speaker 7 00:45:30 Yeah. So it is a, it's a black guy. Um, and he has a whole crew of black men BBCs that he invites his party and you can hire them out. Um,
Speaker 0 00:45:47 Applications.
Speaker 7 00:45:48 They might be, all of the men looked great. They were very attractive young guys. Like it was a good crew. The issue I had is when I went in the room, well, not when I went well, I went in with another younger woman, another woman, and the other black woman, a white woman was in there and said, well, why are you out here already got one. That's why I said, that's my PC. You see my problem?
Speaker 6 00:46:18 How, you know, she got one.
Speaker 0 00:46:26 And I would say to, uh, our white brothers and sisters and anybody else that's, uh, not a person of color is this that, um, is scientifically said that it takes three generations for a culture to assimilate to the culture that it has immigrated to the dominant culture, the dominant culture. Thank you. The primary dominant culture. And so when you look at black, the black experience in America as a whole, yeah. The emancipation proclamation in the 1860s set black people free as a whole, but for the next a hundred years, there was a, uh, sort of, uh, slavery going on. Pretty much black people were slaves. Okay. Black people were terrorized and that's just the truth. It's an ugly truth, but that's just the reality of the situation that happened. So the way I personally look at it, uh, is that black people in the United States of America didn't truly have real freedom.
Speaker 0 00:47:39 They had full freedom, but they didn't really have freedom until 1965. Okay. And moving on forward. And so three generations that puts us around this timeframe and what's happened is, you know, like caramel and Bell's grandparents, they've taught you guys, you know, Hey, this is the way you need to act because this is what happens to us. And I don't blame them because they're trying to protect you. And then your parents likely told you the same thing as well. And, uh, for bomber and myself, we come from different perspectives. And yeah, my dad, when he came to the, the U S he came into the U S in 1976, I believe it was. And yeah, he experienced some bit of racism. He was out there in DC, but it wasn't as much racism, obviously, as you ladies ancestors, you know? And so, um, like me and a bomber, you know, I'm just assuming, you know, we didn't get as much, Hey, be careful of
Speaker 6 00:48:52 White folks.
Speaker 6 00:48:56 No, right. Yeah, no, I think that's accurate. I mean, I, I think, uh, the, the fact is that in America, black people have been slaves longer than they have been freed. Um, so that's, that's the sort of context of reality, but, but I would also like just expanding it a little bit further on a global level. It was in the 1960s that a lot of African nations actually achieved their independence. Right. Um, so there's, there's somewhat of a, although, you know, I think the history of like direct racism and sort of the relationship between white and black people certainly look differently in African nations, um, uh, than it did here. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I think it's, it's true in terms of like the household culture racism as a topic never came up in my household. Like we just did not talk about it.
Speaker 6 00:49:48 We didn't really talk about the history. I mean, when my parent or my dad, I should say, um, you know, just straight off the boat, African, when he talked about like cultural differences, it was really like, these Americans are crazy Americans, right. Americans, Americans that included everybody, um, that was not gunning it mother fuckers. It's all crazy. That was his philosophy. Um, um, but yeah, no, it's, it's definitely somewhat of a, of a, uh, point of disagreement between, um, um, Bella and I, although, you know, I've, I've been sort of educated myself on, um, American history and, um, you know, the, the place that, you know, black folks have had in this country and what, what systematic oppression is and, and how it sort of impacts, um, impacts the way we live, um, uh, and impacts a lot of other aspects of our lives. But, um, but yeah, I mean, I, I will never, you know, I, I just, yeah, we'll, we'll always have that sort of difference in history and context.
Speaker 5 00:50:54 Absolutely. And I think also just going to that, but just being a culture that had, you know, repression, but this is, we're also sexually repressed too. This is, I mean, for, for a lot of, um, for a lot of black, for a lot of black couples, sexual oppression is really big for us because we so much conform to traditional type ways of being like, you know, again, because when you see this arena, I think I've said it, um, that they said on the show, I'm like, I was always saying medicine, white people, shit, that's white people, shit. Like all it is like this crazy exotic stuff you don't like, it's, you know, this is white people, shit is fun shit, but it's really people, shit. Like, remember you just get that one good friend, you know what I mean? Like, it's just crazy, but it is.
Speaker 5 00:51:47 So let me, I'm just, just saying that when it came down to, you know, just move it to a sexual or, you know what I'm saying, sexual arena, you know, white people have always been able to kind of really push the envelope. No, don't get me wrong. Black people do a lot of, you know what I said, we have our sexual exploits that we do and, you know, so, but when it comes to being extremely, just exclusive and fetishize and moving towards that, yeah, that's, that's a, that's an, a whole different, whole different plane. So,
Speaker 0 00:52:20 Oh my goodness. Y'all we have got to come to an end on this episode. We have gone past our time, but we had such an excellent conversation with Bhamra bill didn't we care milk.
Speaker 5 00:52:34 We did, uh, I hope everybody enjoyed it. Please be on the lookout for another tamping of it, where we talk about even more race play related
Speaker 0 00:52:45 Part two of the black Queens versus the BBC Kings episode with the bomber and the bill of the black and kinky lifestyle podcast. And hopefully caramel. Won't say my real name anymore. On the second part of the interview, right?
Speaker 5 00:53:09 I'm taking some pointers from bell chocolate. I'm going to learn how to say,
Speaker 0 00:53:17 Oh my God, like dark chocolate. She yo, if y'all just need to have bill records, you some shit and just listen to it, like, oh my God, pay that girl, whatever money she wants. Matter of fact, go to blag and Kiki lifestyle.com right now, pay her some God dang money to record some stuff where you, that woman has a sexy voice.
Speaker 1 00:53:42 Absolutely.
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